I’m glad you left the kitchen long enough to impart that absolute gem. July 19, 2010
Posted by William Kostakis in Shits Me To Tears.Tags: Alexandra Adornetto
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I know. I’m going to tread carefully here. Last time I disagreed with a teenage girl on the Interwebz, I had hatemail from here to Tasmania, but – seriously, Alexandra, come on. For those that don’t know, Alexandra Adornetto is a big deal in Aussie kids lit at the moment, and she recently wrote an article comparing your favourite sparkly Edward Cullen, to, you know, guys who aren’t the figment of your imagination (read it here).
When I first heard the concept of the article, I was giddy. I mean, an educated, accomplished young woman – an author, who studies and writes people – was about to stick up for the teen guys everywhere who are measured up against a fictional, impossibly rich, practically abusive vampire.
For a start, Edward (unlike your typical pubescent male) is not a commitment-phobe. His devotion to Bella is impressive. He opens car doors for her, is always attentive to her needs and does not presume to take her out without first meeting her father.
Ah, “typical pubescent male”, the words of someone who has probably met a grand total of four of them.
As a pubescent male, I was the ridicule of many – they called me Stalin, because I had a 5-year plan. Within 5 years, I’d meet the girl of my dreams, and we’d be well on the way to making babies. Well, it’s been 5 years, and well, here I am, childless. Why? I actually tried a relationship. They’re complicated. They’re hard work. I’m of the belief that, when a relationship works, no guy will flee for the hills. When the relationship isn’t working, then someone will call it quits. “Commitment” is just the excuse they’ll use.
Also… Edward watches her while she sleeps. Impressive, attentive or “HOMAGAWD, YOU STALKER FREAK” (click here).
Why do I have a huge problem with Edward Cullen? Because I hate the expectation that he is who I have to be. I dream of a girl with banter, who isn’t looking for me to open the doors for her, to be “attentive to her needs” – sure, I’ll try my best to open doors, and be attentive to her needs, but I don’t want a girl who expects me to cushion her from the world and read her mind. And I sure as heck don’t want a girl who lives in the mid-nineteenth century and thinks meeting her father is a pre-requisite for a date. I mean, Alexandra, have you gone out on a date with a guy without meeting his family, or is it only a must the other way around? I don’t know about you, but when there’s chemistry, the last thing on my mind is, “Forget grabbing a bite to eat, come meet my Yiayia, she’s kind of zany in a William Shatner/Boston Legal kind of way.”
What’s more, Edward is never confused about his role – he is comfortable as protector and provider.
SOCIAL PROGRESS! I’m glad you left the kitchen long enough to impart that absolute gem.
Let’s face it – the average teenage boy doesn’t stand a chance against Edward Cullen. I recently had a brief dalliance with a boy my age who could not communicate to save his life. He kept a roll of toilet paper by his bed for ”poo emergencies” in the night and refused to walk the 10 metres to the servo where he worked, opting instead to skateboard in order to avoid exertion. He did have a few redeeming features: an endearing upturned nose and a preppy schoolboy haircut. Sadly, these were not enough to sustain a relationship.
So… you chose him because of the way he looked? See, if I was interested in dating a girl, instead of trying to meet her father, I’d get to know her. I don’t tick off age-old courtship rituals as I complete them, I focus solely on discerning whether they’re batshit insane. I do that by talking to them – if someone I was courting couldn’t communicate to “save her life”, I’d know within two seconds, and I wouldn’t bother. Screw “dalliances” because of noses and haircuts, I go for personality. It works far better than dating someone who seems like a douche and then bemoaning the state of an ENTIRE GENDER because he didn’t measure up to a fantasy.
There is no denying Edward Cullen has raised the bar. The only question remaining is: how will teen males rise to the challenge? A friend and I were bemoaning the disastrous nature of teen romance recently when she commented that, when asked out these days, her first thoughts run along these lines: ”Can you run at lightening speed? Can you throw me over your shoulder and scale a tree in the event of imminent danger? Will you sit by my bedside every night watching me sleep and wondering about my dreams?”
We joked about the response this might elicit from the real teen: ”Nah, babe, but I can knock back a six-pack in under half an hour, do some impressive grinding on the D-floor and throw up neatly into a garbage bin at the end of the night. Doesn’t that turn you on?”
Alexandra Adornetto, you just made me throw up in my mouth. If I had reduced the opposite gender to a massive generalisation, I’d be called a sexist, misogynistic pig. Yes, guys like the ones you describe do exist, just like there are girls who can knock back a six-pack in under half an hour, do some impressive grinding on the D-floor and throw up neatly into a garbage bin at the end of the night.
But you know what? Guys who, like you, spent their teen years writing, waiting for “the one” – they exist too. They didn’t give up on “the one” because a flawless FHM model/Hermione Granger tickled their fancy, or because they had a brief “dalliance” with a girl whose hair they had to hold back while she chundered on the lawn.
By all means, crawl into a book for your wish fulfillment, but don’t measure guys up against fantasies unless you want to be consistently disappointed.
Every day of my teenage life, I had a constant fear of being measured up against people who were smarter than me, who were stronger than me, better looking, more charming and funnier than me, to the point where I had really horrible self-esteem. What you’re doing is one step worse, at least the guys I felt inferior beside were real. You’re taking a perfect piece of fiction (who borders on creepy), and demanding we match up.
But see, we lacklustre boys have something Edward doesn’t – discernable flaws. They’re what make us engaging. Articles like yours almost encourage this white-washing of personality, until we’re all prim, all proper, and all chivalric slaves, who don’t open doors because we want to, but because we have to.
If I had written an article that was exactly the same as yours, only inverted the genders, I’m sure not only would I have been crucified as a sexist, with Germaine Greer on my doorstep brandishing a flaming stick, but it would never have been published. I haven’t read any of your books, but having read this article, it’s clear you don’t know boys. You can’t see past the posturing, the skateboard (oh no, he liked to ride a skateboard, how decadent!), and see the real-world worries, the real-world insecurities that all boys feel (we’re actually people too…), then you shouldn’t be allowed to write them.

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I have grave concerns at Alexandra’s understanding of teen boys if this is what she has to say about them. She obviously doesn’t have brothers because though teen boys can do all those things she stated, they do many others too. My brother is the definition of bogan. He grunts instead of speaking, he plays video games until his thumbs go numb but when I need something he’s there in a second. As an author she should know that no one is as two dimensional as she portrayed an entire gender in that article.
It’s easy to be cynical about the male gender when faced with a 100+ virgin vampire with a lack of pigment and gentlemanly airs. A thinly written vampire manboy – a fictional character! I am more concerned that a published author is holding a Meyer character up as someone to be worshipped or that she has such a horribly incorrect (and cliched) view of the male species. Does she want Edward to help her birth her child by tearing into her womb with his incisors as well as the door?
Disappointed.
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I cannot articulate enough how repugnant and overbearing I find the character of Edward Cullen. The fact that women find him appealing blows my mind. The idea that this ancient, controlling, watches you sleep, doesn’t want you to have any other friends loser represents The One for teenage girls, or even women my age (late twenties) makes me want to curl into a ball and weep. And not in a frail, perfect Bella Swan kind of way either.
(The fact that this all amazing, fantastical character is from one of the worst written books in the history of the world kills me even more).
Good lord, what female in their right mind wants Edward? That’s like saying you are incapable of making your own decisions, since you will have an Edward to make them all for you. Also, being watched while you sleep is creepy. I know, because I made my boyfriend do it to try and see what the appeal was. Unless you like a whole lot of awkward, it’s really not cute at all. Also, call me crazy, but why buy the car before you test drive it? (You know what that alludes to). Now, I understand morals come into play, and that’s fine and dandy. However, I just don’t see the point. Why marry a dude like Edward, only to find out he’s just going to rip the pillows and headboard every time? I bet that’s expensive to replace after awhile!! Also, why would you want to forgo a college education for marriage and babies? F that noise.
Count me among the women who’d much rather date a hot blooded male who is nothing like Edward.
Seriously, if she honest to God thinks all boys her age are like that, well, I have some American phone numbers for her. I could hook her up with a few males. I mean, good lord, she’s what 19? Time to go to college and meet boys. Knock boots with the insufferable twit in Poli-Sci class, date the president of the student assembly, kiss the left wing of the soccer team. Really, it is so not hard to find a man at all.
Brilliant response. Loved every word.
The whole article – and, on the same token, the one she wrote on virginity as well – is absolute rubbish and I agree with Adele that she has some major problems if that’s how she views teenage boys.
She clearly lives in her head and that’s fine, but not when it socially impacts everyone like this.
I too haven’t read her books, and, also like you, given her non-fiction articles which I have read, they aren’t making me want to read her books.
Thank you for pointing out that sexism works both ways! What women think they can get away with. It’s atrocious.
Sing it, sister!
It’s such a shame that, with the pathetically small voice given to young people in the Australian media, this is what we get – a neoconservative full of naive ignorance. I really hope Alexandra tries to actually get to know a boy at some point, so she can see what a mistake she’s made.
(my take on the whole business is here http://liliwilkinson.com.au/blog/2010/07/14/an-imaginary-letter-actually-its-a-rant)
Yay, go you! I seriously couldn’t stand reading that article, and I thought it was going to be something like Jackson Pearce’s video about ‘Nice Guys Poop’
I’m quite glad that you pointed out that sexism works both ways because people tend to forget that, so it’s really bugs me. But it’s usually if talk about females for sexism you’d be called what you pointed out. That I find is quite annoying.
I haven’t really read any of her books, but I did want to read Halo… Hm, I’ll just see what happens.
Good Lord. I haven’t even read the article, but just the quotes made me want to hang myself. It’s like she wants a Stepford husband or something……o_O. EC is a creeper, 100%.
You should definitely read the article.
I read the article and was so appalled at her ability to examine teen males! There was so much inherent sexism and perfectionism in it. If her book reflects this, then I do not think I am going to enjoy it. Edward Cullen is by no means the greatest example out there. In many ways, he is a horrid one. Comparing a fictional character to real people is also rather stupid, especially when said fictional character isn’t three dimensional enough to begin with.
Coming from a guy who is gay, I deal with the male more than enough to know that there are more good than bad. Sure, some guys in their teens are disgusting. They are teenagers. They need time to mature. But there are a lot of perfectly wonderful guys out there as well. If I can find them, then she surely could. Hopefully she does, because at this rate, she needs some real life experience before she starts picking out a wedding dress that goes best with Edward’s sparkly abs.
Hahaha that last lined made me laugh
I wish someone would just quash this notion that teen girls are more mature than boys. Just because you think you are, and someone tells you you are, don’t make you mature. It just makes you write articles that sound holier-than-thou
The worst is when she says most guys are either macho, metro or muddled – they’re not mutually exclusive, and as human beings, we’re *all* muddled. That’s part of the appeal of getting to know people.
And I like to think I was a pretty awesome teenage boy
LMAO
I love you man. I thank Adele everyday for putting me onto your words of wisdom.
“Germaine Greer would be at my door with a flaming stick”
But really this does make me wonder about our dear Alex. Is she the Australian version of Stephanie Meyer? Will Halo conquer the world brainwashing young teens into thinking that they are going to be saved by a fallen angel?
Is this a vicious circle that will continue on until the end of time? Next generation though…I do hope we get mermaids…
Honestly though…why did they let a 17 year old even write that? Isn’t the Age supposed to be an upstanding newspaper?
She told all you poor Vicies down there a while ago that Tony Abbott is right…
And here is the point in which I remember that I hate chicks…and why I hang around with guys…
To be fair, THE AGE let me write some fluff pieces (http://www.theage.com.au/opinion/celebrity-the-mother-of-reinvention-20081004-4twf.html, http://www.theage.com.au/opinion/gen-y-turns-back-on-ageing-big-brother-20080719-3hvq.html).
I have made a mental note to include mermaids in my next novel. They shall be dreamy.
And she’s 18 or 19 now, so it has less to do with her age and more to do with “HOMAGAWD, YOU ACTUALLY THINK THAT?!”
If we ever book a festival together, I will make a decided effort to break into her room and watch her sleep. Let’s see how long it takes her to call security.
Also, I’m touring next month. Email me where in Aus you are and we can catch up ^_^
Some of these comments are a bit naive. Alexandra has a book coming out soon and as a media savvy, publicity seeking writer, she knows that the controversy she attracts is going to help with book sales. If you think about it, the article being discussed here is aimed at the audience she is trying to attract for her new book – the Twilight series readership.
Does that make it any more okay? If I wrote an article that said that there are three kinds of teenage girls – “bitches”, “sluts” or “frigid know-it-alls”, and that was written to appeal to a particular book-buying demographic, are you saying members of the opposite sex would shrug it off and call me a “media savvy, publicity seeking writer”?
Not at all, William. You miss my point – I found the article inane, to say the least. The fact that she has provoked so many comments is in her mind “mission accomplished”. She has achieved what she set out to do. Get attention. She is indifferent to other people’s opinions – it is simply a publicity seeking act. Forget the knee-jerk reaction and ask what the real motivation is.
I am not condoning it all.
If you ever pick up a copy of Halo you’ll see that it is aimed at the lucrative American market – Americanised and following the Twilight formula. No Australian voice there.
By the way, have read Loathing Lola and enjoyed it. Also enjoyed your perceptive comments on Melina Marchetta.
When is your next book due out?
Hopefully next year for Book #2, but I don’t know. I’m pretty sure it wholly depends on the success of next month’s tour. And thanks for your comments RE: Loathing Lola and other stuff, appreciate it.
Sorry if it looked like I was accusing you of condoning it, was just posing questions/milking the gender bias for all it’s worth haha… I wish her all the best with her book, just as I would any author, but I really wish she didn’t have to drag an entire gender through the mud on the way to her inevitable bestseller.
( Haha, your title retort is delightful. ♥ )
When articles like this get written, and when shitloads of real girls use Edward as the model to which they compare real boys, I do little more than wrinkle my nose in distaste. Unlike Alexandra, I’d take awkward romantic moments over purple prose anyday. I love boys who bite their nails and read comic books; I adore trainwreck relationships between teens who are still trying to grow into their skins.
It’s a shame, really, that someone as inspirational as Alexandra would write something so narrow-minded. Because if I were a high-school boy, the author of an article like that is not the kind of girl I would be falling in awkward-teen love with.
[...] Lili Wilkinson rebutted Alexandra Adornetto about Edward Cullen’s ‘charms’. Now William Kostakis, also a young writer, has jumped into the [...]
Reading that article was more fun that a Twilight book burning! I know too many tweens who love not only the (let’s face it) overidolised, labotimised boarderline pedophile who is Edward Cullen, but also (omg) Justine Beiber !!1! and Miley Cyrus!!1! They’d be like, sooooo cute together!
Feel like ripping into those two any time soon? Please?
Thank you. You’re right – I’m a teenage girl, and I most definately don’t want an Edward Cullen. Urgh! Oh, yeah, so I’ll admit, there are some fictional guys that I’ll daydream about, but none of them are at all Cullen-esque. And more importantly, I know that they are fictional! So maybe I haven’t had the best experiences with the teenage boys I know, but I’m not ready to give up yet! As if I would ever have met enough males to make such sweeping generalisations.
And, oh, do I protest at the protecting and providing. So maybe there’s a little bit of me which really loves chivalry, but I’m also a feminist. If everything goes to plan, I’m aiming to go into a very male dominanted career. I’m not planning on relying on a man to ‘provide’ for me. I’ll do that for myself, thank you very much.
And, oh, stop misrepresenting teenage girls (not you, you understand). We aren’t all driven by looks, you know.
I wish people would just think twice about writing such posts – honestly!
Ah, and from a purely academic point of view, her claim that the term Twihard was recent really irritated me. It isn’t really that recent. Credit for that term, I believe, is due to Michael Welch quite a while befiore Twilight was released as a film – when they were about to film it. Oh dear… Why do I even have that knowledge?
Onefinal, completely unrelated comment. I love the smiley face at the bottom of the page – it took a while for me to even work out whether it only existed in my imagination.
Haha, the problem is, it wasn’t just a “post”, it was an article in a widely-read newspaper. Fail x 10.
Love your points
So, I recently read Halo. It is full of thesaurus. You can definitely tell it was written by a teenager. Also, to the comment above about it becoming the new Twilight. I definitely can see that, unfortunately, happening with Halo after reading it.
Excellent article, man. I read Ms. Adornetto’s original entry and was absolutely devastated that the comments were closed and I couldn’t call her up on how delightfully sexist and vile she is while simultaneously gushing over a creepy, perverted stalker, his abused love interest, and the idea that my father has any kind of say over who I should or should not date. Because of course, us women are so fragile, air-headed, imcompetent and in constant need of protection that we must have protectors and providers pandering to us at all times; no, we shouldn’t have careers or street smarts! Just a man will do us fine!
BULLSHIT.
Don’t even get me started on her disgusting display of misandry in one of its rawest forms. The way she degrades and objectifies young men is disgraceful and she ought to be damn well ashamed of herself. How materialistic can a teen girl get? Prep hair and a turned-up nose was apparently all she was looking for in her ‘dalliance’. I wonder how that poor boy feels now, being insulted and degraded in front of thousands of readers for the sake of a few cheap brownie points. Yes, I’m talking about book sales. If you can even call it a book. It solidifies everything that’s wrong about Alex’s article and reads like the trashy bastard child of Twilight and a purity pamphlet, all rolled into a lovely piece of tweeny anti-feminist idealistic bullcrap. Don’t put yourself through it, and if you do, don’t pay a cent for it. It’s amazing that something so heinously offensive got published at all.
Alexandra Adornetto has a shit-load of growing up to do.
Wow! This was fun to read after today. And so many authors/people I know have commented. Big man!